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  • j.sprong
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    Re: Jan Carel VAN PAPPELENDAM

    Yes sire .

    Commander (Engineering) J. C. van Pappelendam, who as a Lieutenant Commander of the Dutch Submarine Service .


    Two Dutch Naval Officers J. J. Wichers en J.C. van Pappelendam .

    The Dutch officers had been working on a device that they had named the snuiver (lit: "sniffer")at 1935. The Dutch navy had been experimenting as early as 1938 with a simple pipe system on the submarines O-19 and O-20 that enabled them to travel at periscope depth operating on its diesels with almost unlimited underwater range while charging the propulsion batteries.
    De "O19" en "O20" waren gebouwd als onderzeeboot-mijnenlegger en deze waren wat groter dan de volgende, verder identieke, serie "O21" t/m "O27". De "O19" en "O20" kwamen in de loop van 1939 in dienst en waren als eerste moderne, operationele boten voorzien van een snuiverinstallatie, die haar ontwerp hoofdzakelijk te danken had aan de onderzeeboottaktiek, zoals de KM die in de Oost voor ogen had.
    Er waren echter nog wel wat tekortkomingen, nl. de niet ontlaste topklep op de luchtinlaatmast, die bij enige onderdruk in de boot vast op z'n zitting werd gezogen, waardoor het snuiverbedrijf gestopt en weer opnieuw gestart moest worden, echter nadat door drukvereffening de topklep (een bal) weer was los gekomen. Het andere mankement, was dat het inwendige bootvolume niet als buffer werd gebruikt, zodat het bovengenoemde probleem met de topklep zich steeds weer voordeed.
    Het was in die tweede helft van de dertiger jaren een innovatieve ontwikkeling van de hoogste orde en dat er nog enkele kinderziekten aan kleefden doet daar niets aan af. Het idee kwam van de toenmalige
    Ltz1 J.J. Wichers
    , maar als degene die het systeem in werkelijkheid gerealiseerd heeft moet de Officier MSD der Eerste klasse J.C. van Pappelendam (later Schout-bij-nacht) genoemd worden, een zeer kundig technicus en één van de beste technische officieren in die tijd.

    Bronnen uit de familie Van Pappelendam beweren dat Wichers het idee in de tijd van de Tweede Wereldoorlog heeft gestolen en wat kleine dingetjes heeft veranderd aan het ontwerp. Van Pappelendam kon hier niks tegen doen, want hij zat destijds in een krijgsgevangenenkamp. Er is over dit conflict een rechtszaak geweest. De rechter gaf Van Pappelendam gelijk. Maar toch wordt het idee aan Wichers én Van Pappelendam toegeschreven.

    Deze boten behoorden tot de beste en de modernste van de wereld en aangenomen wordt dat deze serie kon wedijveren met de toenmalige Amerikaanse "Fleettype" onderzeeboten.

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  • mpappe
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    Re: Jan Carel VAN PAPPELENDAM

    JC van Pappelendam is the inventor of the snorkel. I am his grandson Marc van Pappelendam and have seen the drawings years ago.






    "RMSB" wrote: Thanks, could someone briefly summarize the newspaper article for me? I see J.C. Pappelendams name.

    I am sending the disk of the book off to the publisher this afternoon.

    So if J.C. Van Pappelendam is not the snorkel invention officer in Stalag 371, a correction will have to be made in the next book!

    Rob Bell

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  • mpappe
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    Re: Jan Carel VAN PAPPELENDAM

    And the lady your refer to below named van Pappelendam-de Witte was the wife of JC van Pappelendam. She died in 1984

    regards, marc van pappelendam (grandson of jc van pappelendam, inventor of the snorkel)

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  • mpappe
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    he is the snorkelman. he lived in the hague was a prisoner of war in stalignau. have seen various proofs of that including the drawings of the snorkel. If any more information is needed you can reach me on marc.van.pappelendam@gmail.com

    Kind regards, Marc van Pappelendam

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  • mpappe
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    By coincidence I read the below posts. JC van Pappelendam was my grandfather. He survived the war and died in 1975. I remember my father telling me various rtimes that his father was one of the inventors of the snorkel. He is the snorkelman, but I don't think it was ever officially confirmed. But he showed me the drawings when I was a little boy.

    Hope this information helps.

    Kind regards, Marc van Pappelendam

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  • ThePimster
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    Definitely not "over and out", as over means "I am done talking, awaiting your reply", whereas out means "I am finished communicating"
    Can't have it both ways

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  • RMSB
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    Re: Jan Carel VAN PAPPELENDAM

    Thanks Sgt. Bram.

    Signing off.

    Is it over and out?

    I missed the call up by the skin of my teeth in three wars. UK (post WWII), Rhodesia (War of Independence), and the USA (Post Vietnam).

    Rob Bell

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  • Bram
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    Of course all staff members know the promoting schedule. But we are not going to make that public since we want it to be a surprise when you get promoted

    For people who do not like their current rank there is the possibility to receive a fixed rank that will stay the same. This can, but not necessarily has to be, one of the standard ranks. But can also be a special rank with its own logo.

    In case you have special "rank wishes" just contact one of the moderators or post a message in the Mededelingen, hulp, opmerkingen en suggesties forum. Then we can ask our DutchFleet sea-nymph if you really deserve that rank

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  • RMSB
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    Re: Jan Carel VAN PAPPELENDAM

    Thanks Pimster and everyone else that helped me so much.

    I will return if I have another Dutch Naval question. I could never make it to Admiral!

    Have fun -- as you all know from serving on ships, as in life, it is the journey not the destination that is the most important thing!

    Best to all.

    Rob Bell

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  • ThePimster
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    Re: Jan Carel VAN PAPPELENDAM

    Hi Rob,

    You have been promoted based upon the number of posts. I don't know the exact promotion schedule (yet), but I'll find out for you.
    Currently you are going through the SeaScouting ( ) ranks. When done with those, you will be promoted ??? (edited by admin Bram. Reason: some things need to remain a secret)

    Just keep typing, and you'll get there

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  • RMSB
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    Re: Jan Carel VAN PAPPELENDAM

    No in Sedona Arizona.

    http://www.gatewaytosedona.com/webcam/w ... rizona.htm

    http://www.sedonavision.com/camera (this one is live). So you need daylight. We are Pacific time.

    Can someone explain to me the ranks I have been given since joining! I see it has been changed since we started discussions. Have I been promoted or demoted?!

    Robert

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  • Folkert
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    Hello Robert ,

    Are you still located in Grandville, Michigan??

    Hope to reed this book once pastor ...

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  • RMSB
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    Re: Jan Carel VAN PAPPELENDAM

    As I see it nothing yet that says he was not J.C. Pappelendam the snorkel man! It rhymes.

    The book went off today!

    Rob Bell

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  • Lex
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    "RMSB" wrote: Thanks, could someone briefly summarize the newspaper article for me? I see J.C. Pappelendams name.

    Into the water with shouts of joy.


    Submarine service adds another boat

    Many present show their interest.

    Military and civil dignitaries, many of them accompanied by their spouses today witnessed the launching of O 22.
    Amongst the dignitaries invited were:
    Rear admiral H.J van der Stad, ........A. Smit.

    After ir HC Wesseling, oldest Director, requested Mrs. JEA van Pappelendam-De Witte to remove the final obstacles, which connected O22 to the wharf, the slim boat first slowly, than faster went down the slope to reach her element, under shouts of joy from all people present.
    By doing that O22 was rendered to her destiny without any problems.
    After the ceremony the invitees assembled at the head-office of De Schelde, for a festive toast.

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  • RMSB
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    Re: Jan Carel VAN PAPPELENDAM

    Thanks, could someone briefly summarize the newspaper article for me? I see J.C. Pappelendams name.

    I am sending the disk of the book off to the publisher this afternoon.

    So if J.C. Van Pappelendam is not the snorkel invention officer in Stalag 371, a correction will have to be made in the next book!

    Rob Bell

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