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  • Submarine O.15 and American Submarine incident

    In British documents date August 1942 there is a mention that a Dutch submarine on her way to New London or Philadelphia was mistakenly attacked by an American submarine earlier in the year. The report is not certain of the identity and mentions that it had O.14 on her conning tower, but it was certainly not this submarine which was in Home waters at the time. O.15 was on passage Halifax to Philadelphia in February 1942 and is probably the most likely candidate. Can anyone identify the date and time of this mishap and the identity of the US submarine?

    Thanks.

    Platon Alexiades

  • #2
    Hallo Platon,

    Do you know whether the Dutch submarine noticed the attack?
    I know O 15's war diary is (partly?) in Dutch "Nationaal Archief". If the
    O15 noticed the attack maybe is worthwhile to look there for addional
    information.
    I will go to the "Nationaal Archief" again in some weeks (I go there once a
    month) and take a look if you wish.

    Greetings from Holland, Hans Jehee

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    • #3
      Hello Hans,

      I do not know if O.15 observed the attack and I am only guessing that it was O.15 which was attacked as I know of no other Dutch submarine in the area during this period. It is not even clear if the American submarine actually fired torpedoes or aborted the attack in time.
      There was a concern at the time as Allied submarines leaving or arriving in the United States were not informed of the vessels that could be encountered. If you can check O.15 movement reports, this will be much appreciated. Many thanks.

      Best regards,

      Platon

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      • #4
        Platon,

        Visited the Nationaal Achief in Den Haag yesterday and checked O 15's War dairy. Found nothing about the incident you mentioned.

        The war dairy said:
        2- 2-1942: Left Haifax escorted by HMCS Fredericton
        5- 2-1942: arrived at Philadelphia for an overhaul
        6- 5-1942: first trials after overhaul.

        Greetings from Holland, Hans Jehee

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        • #5
          Hello Hans,

          Thank you for the information. I intend to visit the Ottawa Archives soon, I will try and see if I can find some relevant information.

          Best regards,

          Platon Alexiades

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          • #6
            O15 attacked by uss sub

            It strikes me that if neither O14 or O15 were attacked, the closest match would be a german submarine

            Ron

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            • #7
              Submarine O.!5 and American Submarine Incident

              Hello Ron,

              Apparently the submarine was Dutch. The incident was related by the S.O.O. Subron I, New London in a discussion with Lt. C.D.N. Milner, RN (C.O. HM submarine L.27).

              Platon

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              • #8
                Have you checked the Eastern Sea Frontier War Diary? This is available online at:

                http://www.uboatarchive.net/ESF.htm

                There may be an entry for that date; it's at least worth a look...
                Cheers,
                Tony

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                • #9
                  Let's see. If the skipper saw an identification with O-15; then he has to be mistaken, as in that time frame the conning tower ident was N-15 and not O-15. a picture can be seen on the dutch submarines webside.

                  who knows, maybe it was one of the german captured O-boats, allthough i have never heard of any of those being opeational off the Canadian/US waters. I'd just chalk it up as an occurrence in the "fog of war"

                  ron

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                  • #10
                    Submarine O.15 and American Submarine Incident

                    Hi,

                    It is quite possible that the Dutch submarine was unaware she had been subject of an attack. It is also possible that torpedoes were not actually fired and that the American submarine withheld fire at the last moment.

                    Platon

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