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    I found the photos of her in this forum, but with all I know about her I really don know what was the purpose of building DE MOK I and DE MOK II and what role she was playing after rebuilding in 1954 and renaming.
    I will be greatful for help with this.
    Best regards, Krzysztof.
    Abu El Banat

  • #2
    Hmm, I wonder why nobody answered. AFAIK many forum visotors where stationed at De MOK.

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    • #3
      Thank you, Bram. Only one soul after me.
      I am really interested about De Moks. I have only one source about those ships (H T Lenton, Royal Netherland Navy). Especially De Mok II is a mystery for me. Lenton says that she was a communication vessel and was highly manoeuvrable with Voith-Schneider cycloidal propeller on one shaft (what for ??). I will be greatfull for any info about those ships.
      Best Regards, Krzysztof.
      Abu El Banat

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      • #4
        De Mok I and De Mok II

        In 1937 the Dutch Naval Air Service (MLD) got a task in the Dutch coastal defence. Before it was
        only a trainings institute for the MLD in the Netherlands East-Indies.
        Besides a modernisation of the aircraft fot this task, they also need a modernisation of their
        service boats, like communication vessels, ambulance vessels, target vesels, motor launches,etc.
        As communication vessels were ordered the "De Mok I" and the "De Mok II". They should be used
        as ferries between the naval base at Den Helder ans the naval air station "De Mok" at the island
        Texel. De Mok was before the war the base for the floatplanes and flying boats of the MLD.

        De Mok I
        Laid down 21 May 1938, Rijkswerf Willemsoord, Building number 20. Launched 11 March 1939.
        Commissioned 15 April 1940.
        Type: twin screw motorship, standard displ. 172 ton, full load 185 ton.
        Dimensions: Lenght 34,80 m (pp), 37,90 m (oa). Width 6,58 m. Draught 2,10 m (max).
        Engine: 2 Kromhout diesel engines of 200 hp each with 320 rounds/minute, 2 screws.
        Speed: 12 knots
        Crew: 13 - 14, after 1954 18 -23 men.
        Accomodation: normal 70 man, max. 160 man. Heating installation on board.
        Loading space: 100 cub. meter.
        On the afterdeck was a crane with a lifting capacity of 3 tons (enough for a Fokker C-VIIIw).
        After the German invasion the ship escaped to England (Dover, then Portsmouth, bach to Dover).
        From Dover and Margate the ship participated in the evacuation of the British troops from
        Dunkirk. On the last day the ship was beached after a collision with another ship. With the last
        trawler the crew escaped to England.
        The Germans salvaged the ship and she served during the war in the Kriegsmarine as resp.
        HS 90, FO 21, V 1201 and VS 1201. After the war the ship was retuned to the Dutch Navy.
        At first laid up, but since July 1947 in service as RC 11. During 1948-49 a great overhaul, and
        in service as Y 807, an aircraftdirection vessel. A short period she got the name "Mok I", but in
        April 1954 the name changed in "Hendrik Karssen". In May 1954 the pennant number was A 857,
        and at 12 July 1963 Y 8102. She served during these years as traingvessel.
        Laid up 26 Febr. 1973, decommissioned 5 March 1073. Sold 6 Sept. 1973.

        De Mok II
        Laid down 11 March 1939, Rijkswerf Willemsoord, building number 21. Launching date unknown.
        Type: single screw motorship; displacement, standard 83 ton, full load 87 ton.
        Dimensions: Lenght 26,87 m. Widht 5,00 m. Draught 1,50 m max.
        Engine: 1 Thomassen Type 6Fa diesel engine of 230 hp at 800 rounds/min.
        Screw: 1 Voith-Schneider type 14F90 6-blade screw with a diameter of 1400 mm.
        Speed: 11 kn.
        Crew: unknown
        Accomodation: 80 men (16/24/40).
        After the war this ship was found on the Rijkswerf Willemsoordat Den Helder. At first they thought
        that she was the "De MoK I", but after the return of the real number I, they discovered the real
        identity as II. After 1 July 1947 the ship is not mentioned anymore in the Navy List.

        I have a sideview of the design (somewhere). When I found it, I will scan it and add it to this
        answer.

        Source: Small vessels for the "Flying Navy", by N. Gelhof, 2000. (not published)

        Greetings,

        Rob B

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        • #5
          Thank you very much Rob B
          The description is impressive, of course I will be greatfull for De Mok II photo.
          Best Regards, Krzysztof
          Abu El Banat

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          • #6
            Re: Hendrik Karssen

            "Krzysztof" wrote: I found the photos of her in this forum, but with all I know about her I really don know what was the purpose of building DE MOK I and DE MOK II and what role she was playing after rebuilding in 1954 and renaming.
            I will be greatful for help with this.
            Best regards, Krzysztof.
            The Hendrik Karssen is named after an uncle of my father who died during the war, these days it's functioning as an fishing ship. they have an website http://www.hendrikkarssen.nl.

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            • #7
              Design drawing for the De Mok II.

              Greetings,
              Rob H.
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              De Mok II.jpg

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              • #8
                voor bezoeker baroe
                zijn er nog meerdere foto's bekend? ken je deze foto's ?


                22-04-1942

                Bandoeng

                Hendrk Karssen

                Op 22 april 1942 werd in Bandoeng de militie-matroos H. Karssen samen met vier KNIL-militairen publiekelijk door middel van bajonetsteken terechtgesteld. Hij was met twee anderen buiten het kamp waar hij moest verblijven gevangengenomen. Daarbij vonden de Japanners op Karssen een revolver. Op 12 april 1954 werd het opleidingsschip zeemanschap Y 807 met zijn naam herdoopt.

                Hendrik Karssen was geboren op 26 april 1918 te Bodja en overleden te Bandoeng in een Interneringskamp op 22 april 1942

                Potuum onderscheiden met de Bronzen leeuw KB no 45 van 15 maart 1948

                family karssen 1956-06-22.jpg
                LTZ1 de Kroon overhandigt aan Mevr Karssen een foto van Hr.Ms. Hendrik Karssen

                funeral karssen 1946.jpg
                Herbegrafenis van door Japan geeexecuteerden op het ereveld Antjol. Ktz Slot, (Chef -Personeel KM) onderhoudt zich met de zuster van de in 1942 omgebrachte matr. ZM Hendrik Karssen

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                • #9
                  Re: De Mok I and De Mok II

                  "Rob B" wrote: Source: Small vessels for the "Flying Navy", by N. Gelhof, 2000. (not published)
                  Rob,

                  Wat voor boek is dit en waar is deze in te zien?

                  Alvast bedankt,
                  Jan Visser
                  http://www.netherlandsnavy.nl

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                  • #10
                    Het zal ongetwijfeld zijn in te zien op het Instituut voor Militaire Historie in Den Haag waar de heer Geldhof ook als vrijwilliger actief is. Ik kan me trouwens ook nog een artikel of misschien nog wel twee herinneren in Maritiem Nederland een kleine tien jaar geleden. Helaas kan ik geen exactere gegevens ophoesten voor wat betreft de publicatie(s) in het tijdschrift.

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                    • #11
                      hendrik karssen

                      Bedankt voor reactie en de foto's, ik kende ze nog niet. ik denk alleen dat het graf op de foto van hendrik zijn vader is, die ligt nl op de zelfde begraafplaats. Ik heb een foto van het graf van hendrik. Bovenstaande tekst was mij al wel bekend. Ik vind het super om die foto's te hebben nog maals bedankt. vr gr bezoeker baroe

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                      • #12
                        Re: hendrik karssen

                        Hendrik karssen.jpg
                        Dit is een foto van \hendrik karssen in zijn jonge jaren

                        Graf H Karssen.jpg
                        Dit is het graf van H Karssen

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